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 #16 Re: What boot companies do half sizes? Posted 15/09/2010 @ 16:41 |
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First Thanks as can progress with this info.
Was not clear on heel gap sorry bout that I mean as follows.
Shell size-Salomon authentic series only.
I was referring to a simple shell test, as another method of checking correct lenght over Brannock sizing device.Another option too confirm shell size in any location ie. the heel gap in mm.
When doing shell size test without a liner, what is the heel gap in mm I,m looking for or the range in mm?
(I am guessing about 15mm. So 10mm to 15mm range?)
Also guessing it can vary greatly for- comfort two week riders and say yourself a seasonal rider.
Also probably with the off the shelf?? footbeds you mention.
I have had 3 or 4 failures so far with footbeds hence the devils in the detail now.
This is why I went to salomon wides 1/2 size smaller in 27.5 and have no pain, but no footbed .
So feel more improvment is obtainable but hard in a forum to define direction so your answers are are all good narrowing it down. |
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| #17 Re: What boot companies do half sizes? Posted 16/09/2010 @ 13:31 |
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I don't use mm, I do it by feel. Typically you'll want to be able to fit two finger crossed over behind your heel. I undersize as I'm used to a ski boot fit.
If you've had bad footbeds in the past then off the shelf variety probably isn't for you. Aside from full customs the next best thing for board boots is Sidas Snow+ although they're expensive.
Exactly what failures have you had with footbeds? |
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| #18 Re: What boot companies do half sizes? Posted 17/09/2010 @ 04:02 |
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Again, thanks for your time Grill.
Going foreward!
I am thinking out aloud here only ... downsize by half mondo number again to a ski boot type fit, as you mention you have .
Possibly 27 wide salomon with pro fitted footbed or sidas+ as you mention
( ie.This 27cm boot is actual foot lenght or even 3- 5 mm shorter.)
Wide boot possibly is big part of answer, as past pain seems from forefoot width crush .
Alot of the time, pain was so much, you could,nt tell where abouts but feel this is now pinpointed.
So critique on above appreciated Grill
What you hear all the time,no doubt- as follows boot/footbed history.
Was always sized/sold 28mondo boots and new no better, so just went riding.
Pain varied but was never absent in standard boots soles.
Tryed say 8-10 pair boots over long time then gave up.Settled on malamutes with inner foothold strap but still had pain although less,probably strap holding foot ,helped?
Footbeds were always givern as answer to my probs, so tryed three or four over 10 year peroid.
Pain increased everytime with new footbeds so removed them within 2 hours, everytime.
It felt like they took up room increasing pain.
This completely warped any common sense I had so I was now lost.
The footbeds from the 28cm boots I tryed in the past which I showed too certified ski boot fitter recently.
Superfeet custom cork.( looked at- not good had faults,stateside job)
St Anton store, surfers paradise/Jennewien? Went back for instore work as well.(This was looked at and thrown into bin instantly)
Comformable custom from livigno.Possibly worth another go?
Told too try again in shorter 27.5 shell as a elimination test (just in case),ground it tiny bit for shorter 27.5 boot.
Lost can,t remember the other, probably chucked.
Last two seasons downsized too 27.5 wide boot as this was "part of prob, shell was too long, foot moving.
No pain in this boot during long day, standard salomon sole used.
Some noticable movement in front foot,not alot and tiny bit in rear foot with wide dialogues packing down, now on second set which packed down sometime with 8 weeks on them, so same as above.
Today tryed on non wide 27.5 salomon pledge and dialogue, with foreward weighting of the foot, shell was moving/expanding in width on both sides of boot "forefoot area by eye,say 2mm each side.
The 27cm synapse did not killl me on length in store but was "really firm fit in lenght" .
In forefoot area with forefoot weight/flex ,you could see 2mm expansion happening on both sides as above. .
I know its a mouthful but I put it out there wanting your opinions,then go work a game plan this season.
The wides are not easy too find. |
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| #19 Re: What boot companies do half sizes? Posted 17/09/2010 @ 14:55 |
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Uhhh... you're rambling. Seeing as I don't know what pain your have and where and when it occurs, I can hardly give informed suggestions.
I will say that 27 and 27.5 are the same shell so it doesn't make a difference once the liner is worn. The expanding of the boot isn't a huge issue either.
What bindings are you using? |
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| #20 Re: What boot companies do half sizes? Posted 17/09/2010 @ 16:39 |
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Yea your right less is more,probably step by steps better.
Its all there, in one hit, if you don,t fall asleep that is .
The pain is in forefoot from width crush I,m pretty sure and reduced blood circ.
This is via return boot pressure, from resistance to expanding width of foot, in forefoot area only.
I,m running union force and burton mid range bindings nothing stiff but boards are nearly always 62/65 /68 and often big surface area ie powder brd and lots undulating terrain, fairly quick pace.Have binding size right now too
You seem to be one of the few here who understand or can relate too the harder work needed with a bigger brd.
When the boots wrong its more pain sooner with bigger board in my experience.Also if using anything stiffer ie brd boots bindings.
If you feel we can,t get any further Grill I appreciate the input,hey no big deal,forums are like that ,I will keep at it though. |
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| #21 Re: What boot companies do half sizes? Posted 17/09/2010 @ 17:38 |
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There's a good possibility that you're over-tightening your toe straps, especially since both bindings you mentioned are a bit rubbish with the grip in that area. It would certainly explain the pain in the forefoot.
Does your second and third toe go numb? Do you get pins and needles at all? |
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| #22 Re: What boot companies do half sizes? Posted 17/09/2010 @ 19:43 |
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I don,t believe its that, as I,m aware of over-tightening boots thing.
I was cranking straps with the 28cm boots though.
With 27.5 wides and medium bindings I got no pain but some foot movement in boot.
Its not pins and needles or 2nd 3rd toe in past.
It was outside of forefoot area behind little toe,then pain spreads across foot width, would describe it.
This is why reluctant to go back too std width boots but know I could maybe be off track
Years ago with water skiing ,ice skating and pre season (new boots, hard ground) rugby I got this same pain, it was killer then too.
Options I think now, 1) Forget malamutes/pledges/synapses/dialogues and std or narrow choices with footbeds
2) 27 synapse wides and footbed to reduce foot lenght abit
Bouncing Ideas off you Grill gets me the above to go too, I was worried about going too small.
Not many can be going 3 too 5mm shorter than foot lenght in snowboard boots or are they?
So many screw ups before, you can understand, if it takes bit of posting,rambling I don,t care .And you have taken the time .
What do you think. |
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| #23 Re: What boot companies do half sizes? Posted 18/09/2010 @ 00:44 |
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How wide is your stance? If your stance is too wide it can cause you to supinate especially when charging hard. Is it on both feet or worse on your downhill foot?
3-5mm is a big risk. I go down to about 10mm max and use 3-d6mm volume reducers between the liner a shell to achieve a snug fit. I still get a bit of bang on my toes depending on what I'm doing, but I find it acceptable. I should also not that I use a full custom footbed (sidas) that I've modified by using a stiff heel stab as well as a cristair stab in order to get the proper support behind my metatarsal spread (basically it's over-built). |
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| #24 Re: What boot companies do half sizes? Posted 18/09/2010 @ 04:13 |
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No wide stance.
A overview.
Old school if anything with forward angles and shorter stance, as short and heavy.
I,m on powder boards mostly Grill and one centred model that moves on piste and pow, no park.
27 Front, 12 Rear, 52cm stance width for tight trees and general resort.
If` alot of faster open pow runs and a bigger 166/68 I widen to 54cm for bit more stability but loving trees so lots effort past 3 seasons.
The down hill foot or front foot is affected mainly with more movement in boot as its say 4mm shorter and 5mm wider and I tend too ride front foot heavy a bit when tired
Frnt right 115 wide, rear left 110wide
The pain has always been in both even my first day ever riding in mid 90,s with burton reactors and a hard board this was heavy pain from 9 to 12pm then would bypass it or really was just overcoming pain,I could not do that now .
Later switched too Raichly hard boots as wider in those days.
Im not 100% clear on-( 3-5mm underfoot size is a big risk.I go down to about 10mm max then add volume?)
The 10mm max? is where exactly I,m not certain on this but half get it adding the volume
Let me define what I said or meant
When I suggest 3-5mm underfoot size I mean rear foot is about 27.5 and front is 27+ aprox so 0 to 5mm undersize if going to a 27 boot if that makes better sense.
Thats what I meant anyway with the numbers thing.But not boot language probably.
This is where it gets tough or ends but willing too continue to that end, later if you are.
What you have said about surpinate when charging has got me thinking even with different stance/angles too most. |
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