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 #1 Titanal Posted 30/07/2010 @ 13:00 |
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Hey everyone,
I've been tempted to get the standard version of the F2 Eliminator for quite a while and last season's standard model is available for about £350.
However, I now have a chance to get this board, yes the 2010/11 model at a big dicount:-
http://www.f2-snow.com/boards/eliminator_wc.php
£500 when the RRP is £740!
The website says titanium construction but this is a misprint, it's actually titanal.
The eliminator has changed a bit since last season and the new models have a sidecut radiius of 12m as opposed to about 9m. I like the idea of getting a longer sidecut radius as one of my favourite things to do on a piste is to lay down a really long arced carve. My Salomon burner has a SR of around 9 metres and I sometimes feel it wants to turn a bit too tightly for me when I'm charging down a big open piste.
I'm tempted to wait until next year and pick up a standard 2010/2011 model when the season's over and the bargains come round again, or plump for the titanal model now.
To help me make a decision, what are the advantages and disadvantages of a titanal board? I understand that they tend to be very damp, but not sure what other advantages/disadvantages there are. In addition to charging around on piste I do like to venture into accessible powder if it's around, but I don't go hiking for it, The vast majority of my riding will be on piste in variable conditions.
Grateful for any advice.
Mike. |
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| #2 Re: Titanal Posted 30/07/2010 @ 14:09 |
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QUOTE (mikeyboy123 - 30/07/2010 @ 13:00) The website says titanium construction but this is a misprint, it's actually titanal.
What a wicked name! You have "tit" and "anal" in one word or one word that says "tight-anal"  I wonder if it's as good at being an alloy as it is at being a word  |
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I've been all over the world, Ibiza, Magaluf, Blackpool etc and Tamworth was by far the best for snowsports!! It's intense man!!! You're totally gripped when you're at the top and looking down...
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| #3 Re: Titanal Posted 30/07/2010 @ 15:26 |
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You'd be lucky to find actual titanium on any ski or board these days!..... have you seen the price of it?
I think one of the only available supplies in the US was Army surplus an that is nearly kaput!
Titanal is an alloy created to have the properties of titanium but at a fraction of the cost (of course the manufacturers of the boards will still charge you double for having a Ti board!)
It's pretty common in ski and board construction.... usually making the flex stiffer, ideal for heavier/more agrressive/race riders. |
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"If you know all 4 seasons: Almost Winter, Winter, Still Winter, and Road Construction..... you may be living in Canada!" |
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| #4 Re: Titanal Posted 30/07/2010 @ 20:18 |
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In combination.
-Metal laminates.
-Blended multi radius sidecuts.
-Decambered noses and tail.
Metal seems to provide a totally different dynamic flex.Whereas the boards will flex a bit more when pushed to get varied arcs.
Its ability to stick well on ice, I truly cannot put a finger on the reason but it does it better than glass in any head to head test I have done.
Its just magic!
The best freeride boards will borrow this tech.
Bruce Varsava
Go for it Mike, luck favors the brave.I doubt you will have any regrets once your final choice is made.
You would also be among a mere handful in this country no doubt, running sheet alloy,the tech that goes with it is very, very cutting edge.Ses it all really.
I did wonder if after the Olympics further minor changes would be implemented in 2011/2012 or maybe following season with F2,maybe they have.I don,t know.
I remember mentioning this board for its radical changes you mention over the old model, in another old thread.
As it was on your short list then and then Abra (a clued up guy) expanded on it too,so you are narrowing it down I guess now.
Allgood,seems sensible if in europe warranty etc Is it just £££ type choices left now?
The F2 real tech, inside info will be somewhere in euro forums possibly but the yanks tend a bit more to the local botiques and info sharing.They are very switched on with this stuff though.And never knock F2 or anything really, except junk.
Never the less,this metal has being going on for more than a few years now, won,t be on this site,Ill send a pm just in case.
Really interesting Board,164???
Ps,I think a chap up north is running a Razor,another very interesting stick. |
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| #5 Re: Titanal Posted 31/07/2010 @ 01:02 |
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Yeah no one's been racing anything other than Titanal ("metal") for a few years now. As Mr Coiler says, it'll trickle down to the mass market in time, although I'm not sure it'll make much difference in the park.
F2, which I ride, have only just introduced it in the last season I think on their top-end World cup stuff, and they do get confused about it as described here (it's aluminium, not titanium). I've not ridden those boards yet.
It should make bog-all difference in powder, but it's taken over the race world for a good reason. Granted, many snowboarders don't care about going fast, and it's probably irrelevant to them.
There are a few people on here I know who have been riding metal for a season or two, perhaps they'll chip in with why it matters. Otherwise, the standard rule works here, does it not: ride the sucker and if it blows you away then buy it. I have not heard anyone try that and fail to be impressed by the new technology.
Personally I'll be making an early season trip to the Alps to see if I can't demo F2 plus maybe a few other European boards. I don't get a lot of time on piste, but I may as well have the best toys for when I'm there.
I recall that someone else is making boards for soft-booters using metal. Palmer claims to be using "titanium" in some models - not sure if that's what they mean or if they employ silly marketing people. Ride the boards and work it out that way. |
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| #6 Re: Titanal Posted 09/08/2010 @ 11:00 |
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Thanks for all your replies, sorry for delayed response, been on holiday all last week and not had access to internet.
Lots of food for thought. I'd love to try this board before buying it but I need to act now if I'm going to get it for £500 against an rrp of £740.
From your replies and what I've read up on the eliminator and titanal boards, it seems that it is a fast damp board that has excellent edge hold and carving ability - what's not to like?
My only resrervations are:-
1). Are my 37 year old legs going to cope with driving a board like this.
2). Can I justify spending £500 on a board bearing in mind I'm about to move home and will soon be paying a considerable mortgage and £800 a month in child care.
Decision time! |
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| #7 Re: Titanal Posted 10/08/2010 @ 11:27 |
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You read my mind...  |
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| #8 Re: Titanal Posted 10/08/2010 @ 12:06 |
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That is quite funny |
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| #9 Re: Titanal Posted 10/08/2010 @ 17:17 |
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Well, here's some more words that may amuse you:-
Sextant
Sextuplets
analogy
album
titular
titanium
destitute
title
Let me know if you need any more.  |
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| #10 Re: Titanal Posted 10/08/2010 @ 20:03 |
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Indeed 
But I can't believe you left out the word... wankel |
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| #11 Re: Titanal Posted 11/08/2010 @ 08:59 |
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and Helmet |
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I've been all over the world, Ibiza, Magaluf, Blackpool etc and Tamworth was by far the best for snowsports!! It's intense man!!! You're totally gripped when you're at the top and looking down...
Snowboard Wales Facebook Group |
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| #12 Re: Titanal Posted 31/08/2010 @ 11:58 |
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i have a Razor 176 from 2007. fun board, in both hard and soft boots. nice shape, but the radius limits top speed. 
agree with the comments about titanal boards on ice. they have a bit less pop in general, and ride quite damp on hardpack too. |
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| #13 Re: Titanal Posted 31/08/2010 @ 16:28 |
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Kieran,Hope you can pass on some info.
Is that board from Donek or G-force or is it a colaboration of the two companys,
I am aware of a Donek razor and a G-force razor from a russian guy called Alex, is that right?
I saw Donek had some great custom prices in summer and on shipping as well.
It just made for more choices/options before the vat thing comes along but I decided on a longer stay in resort over new board.
I am window shoppng for later and the Razor and f2 Wc Eliminater are sorta very interesting
When you say the Razor radius limits top speed,I am guessing this is in relation too wide austrian glaciers at quite serious speed.
Is the board more for getting low in soft boots at quick but fun speeds. ie versitile and probably more so in a shorter lenght.
Would you buy another?
Are you more more fall line,race type carving or bit of low fun. |
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| #14 Re: Titanal Posted 31/08/2010 @ 19:11 |
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QUOTE (recon - 31/08/2010 @ 16:28) Kieran,Hope you can pass on some info. Is that board from Donek or G-force or is it a colaboration of the two companys, I am aware of a Donek razor and a G-force razor from a russian guy called Alex, is that right?
mine is an ex-demo from Donek, not g-force. it was shipped from the USA.QUOTE (recon - 31/08/2010 @ 16:28) I saw Donek had some great custom prices in summer and on shipping as well.
shipping has been $54, for both boards i got from them. shipped on the wednesday, delivered on the friday.QUOTE (recon - 31/08/2010 @ 16:28) It just made for more choices/options before the vat thing comes along but I decided on a longer stay in resort over new board.
take a colorado holiday, buy a board. 'forget' to declare it on your return.  QUOTE (recon - 31/08/2010 @ 16:28) I am window shoppng for later and the Razor and f2 Wc Eliminater are sorta very interesting When you say the Razor radius limits top speed,I am guessing this is in relation too wide austrian glaciers at quite serious speed. Is the board more for getting low in soft boots at quick but fun speeds. ie versitile and probably more so in a shorter lenght.
it's definitely for getting low in soft boots. it locks into a carve very easily, and will dig as big a trench as you're willing to lay. no taper at the tail.QUOTE (recon - 31/08/2010 @ 16:28) Would you buy another?
i'd like to try the 'saber'.QUOTE (recon - 31/08/2010 @ 16:28) Are you more more fall line,race type carving or bit of low fun.
um. neither, really. getting low is fun, but wild changes of direction without loss of speed are what i'm enjoying just now. |
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| #15 Re: Titanal Posted 01/09/2010 @ 02:25 |
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Thanks Keiran, for the info as its not easy to come by and is valued, by myself anyway.It would be kind of a big deal to order the first one.
I know I could email or even ring Donek for info ,its just that much more reassuring, from a european rider and ringing is when I have my credit card in hand, just too sort last few Q,s.
I may get back to you on here for few more details on total costs If thats OK.Its possible too PM here as well.
I think Mikeyboy the OP, Is probably closer than myself too a decision on a board but your answers have confirmed alot on one model.
The donek razor seems to tick most boxes for myself as far as versitality, over a World Cup Eliminator as that could be tryed or got later and is most probably in another class of board.
But its a real interesting board this season,completely changed over past F2 Elims.
The Sabre is another unconsidered though.Which a email to the factory, would probably help. |
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