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 #1 No-back Theory Posted 05/05/2010 @ 20:07 |
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Some people may have heard about Mike Ranquet's theory of no high backs. Well Shayboarder has been and tried it out as well - http://www.shayboarder.com/2010/05/the-no-back-experience.html.
It's not something I particularly paid attention to til I did my level 2 BASI and we were told not to use our high backs too much on heelside turns. Quite interesting and something I may try. |
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| #2 Re: No-back Theory Posted 06/05/2010 @ 00:20 |
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definitely something to try on one of my trips to the domes. Maybe later on in the session, so I don't waste a whole session in the medical room...
i also bought a new board last week that came with some baseless bindings so I'll be giving them a go too... |
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| #3 Re: No-back Theory Posted 06/05/2010 @ 00:25 |
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what is the purpose? there is a hiback for a reason, if you could turn better without them they wouldnt bother making them. and since when did basi tell you not to use your highbacks so much on heelside turns? must be some new fangled idea  |
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'To do a dangerous thing with style is what I call art' - Charles Bukowski |
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| #4 Re: No-back Theory Posted 06/05/2010 @ 09:28 |
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Some people have been riding without highbacks for years to increase the feel of your connection to the board, quite a few hardcore freeriders i know have done it at various times in their careers, with varying degress of success. Don't they all call them holdbacks? |
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| #5 Re: No-back Theory Posted 06/05/2010 @ 14:10 |
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all I know is that the little bit ive seen of Tarquin Robbins riding back in the day looks as steezy as anything ive seen. |
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| #6 Re: No-back Theory Posted 06/05/2010 @ 15:42 |
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If you check those links though there is this:
" My stiffer snowboard boot came in handy for allowing response from turn to turn".
If you move the support from highback to boot, that's not really changing much.
I've not seen anyone riding powder like that, but lots of people ride no-boards which is maybe the same concept taken much further. I quite like no-boards as far as they go, but not for riding piste. |
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| #7 Re: No-back Theory Posted 06/05/2010 @ 19:07 |
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QUOTE (philw - 06/05/2010 @ 15:42) I've not seen anyone riding powder like that, but lots of people ride no-boards which is maybe the same concept taken much further. I quite like no-boards as far as they go, but not for riding piste.
Don't they call that walking? |
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| #8 Re: No-back Theory Posted 06/05/2010 @ 21:34 |
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QUOTE (cinquepunto - 06/05/2010 @ 19:07) Don't they call that walking?
i do hope you were joking there |
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| #9 Re: No-back Theory Posted 06/05/2010 @ 22:58 |
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QUOTE (chr15dallat - 06/05/2010 @ 00:25) what is the purpose? there is a hiback for a reason, if you could turn better without them they wouldnt bother making them. and since when did basi tell you not to use your highbacks so much on heelside turns? must be some new fangled idea
High backs were added to aid turns so you had something to lean against during a heelside turn. If you over use the highback you simply go inside the turn and can't flex or 'stack' over your edge. The body will counter this by waking at the waist. Also a change in snow will see you on your ass.
When I did my ASBI it was more about levers thinking back with 'shins into boots' for toeside and 'calves into highbacks' for heelside. The emphasis is now on using your straps and muscles rather than relying on levers. I was told that if people over used their highbacks rather than using the toestrap and shin muscle for heelside turns on their level 3 BASI they were made to ride without their highbacks for a short period. |
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| #10 Re: No-back Theory Posted 06/05/2010 @ 23:30 |
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QUOTE (chr15dallat - 06/05/2010 @ 21:34) i do hope you were joking there
no, I was being facetious |
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| #11 Re: No-back Theory Posted 08/05/2010 @ 17:32 |
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No High backs, High Backs, No Bindings. Whatever feels good to you will probably be best for your snowboarding ?  |
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| #12 Re: No-back Theory Posted 09/05/2010 @ 13:03 |
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QUOTE (cinquepunto - 06/05/2010 @ 19:07) Don't they call that walking?
LOL  |
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| #13 Re: No-back Theory Posted 10/05/2010 @ 15:15 |
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QUOTE (cinquepunto - 06/05/2010 @ 19:07) Don't they call that walking?
If you walk like you're riding a no-board then you're definitely doing at least one of them incorrectly. |
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| #14 Re: No-back Theory Posted 08/07/2010 @ 18:59 |
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but this idea is really interesting...
I remember 10 years ago (maybe a bit more) really low backed freestyle highbacks were in fashion for a little while. If you look even further back freeride bindings used to have a third strap at the top, to go around the top of your boot so you could edge better on your toeside.
I longboard quite a lot (the skating kind, not the watery one), and even going fast on a longboard I appreciate the freedom of being able to get down low on the board without bulky boots restricting my movement. But... a longboard pivots over the central axis. When you edge a snowboard you're pivoting over the edge - that's a lot more work. I guess that, really, is the reason why we have to wear boots - you can't just weight an edge on a snowboard - you actually have to lift your toes or heels. The easiest way to do that is by leverage... so you need a stiff boot. Or a highback. Or incredibly strong feet.
This has got me thinking though... how much do I actually rely on the highback? I think those guys have a very valid point. Relying completely on the highback leads to a lazy, flatter base and gives you less margin for error since you can't compensate by adjusting board angle with your feet.
Trying not to use the highbacks should help build:
Foot strength => better edging
Foot muscle memory => better balance
Very, very interesting. Thanks fatbob. |
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| #15 Re: No-back Theory Posted 07/01/2012 @ 23:42 |
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See if you can spot something different about Ed Leigh's bindings on Ski Sunday tomorrow. |
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