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 #17 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 26/11/2003 @ 13:09 |
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Agree with Laff Boy on the quality of the BASI instructors. Finished mine in May, and am off teaching in the US this winter (3 weeks to be precise!).
If you're lucky you might get Neil McNab teaching ya! |
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| #18 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 26/11/2003 @ 13:18 |
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jwhiteoak - how would you rate these all in one deals - for ex. I'm looking at paying £9,200 for 12 weeks in kicking horse all inclusive - tuition for casi L1 & L2, canadian avalanche awareness & mountain CPR & avalanche prediction. I get all accoms, road trips, suit, & exams into the deal. Bit costly, but the qualifications look better compared to some of the places i've looked? |
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| #19 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 26/11/2003 @ 13:43 |
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It does sound like a lot of money, but the trip sounds absolutely awesome. It is definitely cheaper to get to BASI Instructor and Teacher level, but it doesn't sound as much fun!
CASI Level 2 is equivalent to between BASI Instructor and Teacher.
To get to BASI Teacher, which is an ISIA approved qualification you need to have 200+ hours of teaching and complete additional modules on top of the Instructor qualification. These include Mountain Safety and Avalanche Awareness, a common theory classroom module and a two week teacher course where your riding and teaching are assessed. It's bloody tough. Out of the 9 people on the Teachers course when I was doing my Instructors, only 2 people passed! These are residential courses, so obviously the price goes up passed the £1500 to get to Instructor level.
I think CASI is generally a better recognised qualification than BASI because Canada is generally more renowned for Winter sports, but the BASI quals will get you a job anyway except France and the other countries that insist on ESF qualifications.
You can stick your sk*ing qualifications up ya a*se!
Is the CASI a pass/fail type qualification? It's a lot of cash if you don't pass! |
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| #20 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 26/11/2003 @ 13:49 |
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i looked into the CASI thang and I recall that you can retake individual exams, and ever parts of certain courses you may fail. Exams are about $250/300, so not that expensive.
I'd love to do any of these instructor courses that are being talked about |
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| #21 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 26/11/2003 @ 13:54 |
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The courses are excellent, if nothing else your riding improves 100% just by doing them.
It's like having the best snowboard lessons you could ever possibly get. |
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| #22 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 26/11/2003 @ 14:03 |
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CASI quali are also recognised everywhere apart from france. But be careful about doing your level 1 and 2 very close together as you are ment to have teaching time under your belt before you do the level 2.
£9K is a hell of a lot, does that include flights?
The instructors you ride with will be the telling point. They can be such good riders, but teaching you the skills, is a different kettle of fish!
But 12 weeks in Canada......................
I go in 4 and a half weeks!!!!!!!! |
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| #23 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 26/11/2003 @ 15:37 |
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reet - the exam thing in the coarses i'm thinking of are modular & you can pass bits, but fail other parts. They try to keep the pass ratio to %100 percent by screening people before they take em on the coarse - 2 hours of intense scrutiny at tame or some other snowdome.
The main instructor is a casi level 4 teacher & casi level 4 instructor (he's a bit good..)
The coarse does NOT include flight!!!!=( =( =(
You're right, it looks like a hell of a lot of fun, & if you get the visa, then you can stay on after the 12 weeks & teach to the end of the season..
The thing that i'm a bit bummed about is the fact that if i get casi level's 1 & 2, then it'll take a load of time to get level 3 (which is the internationally recognised standard for instructor) - this means either trips back out to canada to keep up the slope time, staying in canada for the slope time (go on, guess which is my favourite... ) or jumping to europe someplace & gettting the level 3 by teaching & doing the exam in europe. The i'd still have to get the french thing to teach in france (monopoly or what, global economy my arse.)
The money, although a lot. is obtainable & the thing is doooable, just quite a lot of questions still need answering. Like if i don't have a job yet as an instructor, how can i apply for the visa to enable me to stayout there at the end of the coarse to teach.... |
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| #24 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 26/11/2003 @ 15:45 |
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Hey Xboson. You do know there are 4 levels now as of last year. CASI that is.
Level 2 is up to intermediate and then to do level 3 you have to do your level 1 freestyle (coaching) qualification.
Thats wot im doing this year.
ANd be careful getting a visa for 12 weeks, as you can normally only get 1 unless you get sponsored, which isnt easy. Most resorts say you have to have worked for them for the last 2 years, making it kinda impossible.
But where theres a will theres a way!!!!!
Yea we had examinors as our instructors, they can tell you what you need to be able to do. Defo a good idea |
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| #25 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 26/11/2003 @ 16:08 |
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Xbos,
I'd concentrate on getting CASI level 1 & 2 sorted before worrying about level 3. With the BASI Teachers you need a seasons instructing behind you before you can even go on it.
I got my BASI Instructors in May and I'm not even thinking about my BASI Teachers for at least a couple of years. You need to be able to ride like a pro and it takes time to get your riding up to that level. You'll get plenty of decent instructing jobs with level 2, so I wouldn't stress about it too much. Get ya quals, get a job, teach for a season or 2 and then think about getting up to the higher levels later. |
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| #26 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 26/11/2003 @ 16:12 |
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JW....could you clear something up for me.
Did you spend any time in snowboard school learning before you went on the course? On the BASI site it says you need 70 hours!
And what is the difference between BASI instructor and BASI teacher? |
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| #27 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 26/11/2003 @ 16:19 |
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The 70 hours thing is something they introduced just after I did my Instructors course, so I didn't have to do that. I did spend all of summer 02 and winter 02/03 shadowing at Tamworth before I did my Instructors course anyway just to get some experience.
If you ring Jon Stevens at the Snowdome and ask him I'm sure he'll be happy to help.
There's a member on this forum makar, who is spending some time in Morzine with the British Ski School getting his 70 hours in. There are plenty of ways of doing it.
The difference between Instructor and Teacher is the level of instruction you can give, and the fact that teacher is an ISIA approved qualification so you can teach people up to an advanced level, and do some off piste teaching as well. You get a lot more money with a Teachers qualification! |
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| #28 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 27/11/2003 @ 22:17 |
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just sent a mail to mike at inthepowder - going for the 12 week casi level 1 & 2 for 2005. Gonna try & couple this with the bunac non student work visa to allow staying for the season & teaching afterwards in kicking horse. Then onto where ever will take an instructor with a glint in his eye, ripped bod & wicked hair... 8)
I'm now wondering what the options are for after a season in kicking horse - i mean, it's not open all year round...oh, & i'm talking about snow jobs here - instructing, not back to work in the uk...=(  |
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| #29 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 27/11/2003 @ 22:21 |
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New Zealand, snowdomes/dry slope in the UK? |
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| #30 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 27/11/2003 @ 22:25 |
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i know casi is recognised world wide, but there are certain numpty coutries that bitch about it - like france - i'm wondering if new zealands the same? If not, then thats the next couple of years sorted.....
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| #31 Re: Instructor courses - recomendations? Posted 27/11/2003 @ 22:38 |
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As far as I'm aware it's only the French that are a pain in the arse |
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