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 #1 Carving Posted 24/03/2010 @ 16:44 |
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Howdy
I've found a new problem now which I don't quite understand why its happening.
When carving I am just holding my edge as best I can without letting it slip so I power through the turns using all the sidecut. The toe edge is fine but when I switch to the heel edge, I can't seem to hold it and it slips away from me (down the fallline). This either makes me wash out and 'sit' on my ass or I have to quickly switch edge making it just a normal turn. I think it may be my speed as I seem to pick up too much speed when I initiate the h/s turn. Any ideas? |
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| #2 Re: Carving Posted 24/03/2010 @ 18:40 |
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get a few lessons the next time you are away are go to a snowdome and do a learn to snowboard in a day  |
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| #3 Re: Carving Posted 24/03/2010 @ 19:21 |
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I'm not an instructor, but I had the same issue. You’re right about it being to do with speed. Try and make your turns longer and more C shaped. Apparently your board washes out when you are making your turn too late and loading the edge with too much speed and pressure at one time. Keep relaxed and let the board do the work. Its funny suddenly it will just click and you will get it.
Try having some advanced tuition. It really helps iron out any flaws that you have in your turning technique. |
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| #4 Re: Carving Posted 24/03/2010 @ 23:17 |
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This sounds very familiar, I have exactly the same problem so interesting reading. I plan to get some private instruction next time I'm away so hopefully this will help sort this out. |
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| #5 Re: Carving Posted 25/03/2010 @ 06:36 |
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Can't pretend to be an expert but when I've had lessons in the past the main thing about carving is to bend your knees and get low, to shift your centre of gravity lower. |
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| #7 Re: Carving Posted 25/03/2010 @ 21:38 |
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In the few lessons i've hard I was told to centre the weight, get low and not be too aggressive early on in the turn. |
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| #8 Re: Carving Posted 26/03/2010 @ 00:25 |
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I'm not sure "Get low" really helps..
The key to carving is 'angulation' - creating an angle between the base of the board and the snow with the edge being at the corner of the angle - make sense?..
You achieve this by flexing your ankles, by trying to 'lift' your toes to touch the top of your boots, and by 'sitting' into the turn.. If you don't flex or sit into the turn you'll often lean back to try and create the angle that way, and to resist centrifugal force.. the result of this is that your centre of gravity moves too far inside the edge of the board, pressure is reduced on the edge and you lose grip = you wash out and fall on your ass..
Once you've got flexing and sitting sorted a good way to maintain pressure on the edge in faster turns/harder snow is to stay in continuous smooth motion from 'standing' to 'sitting' through the turn so you're standing at the transition from one edge to the other and slowly sinking into a sitting position reaching max sitting at the fall-line before slowly rising up to the next transition..
Hope that helps.. keep persevering - carving is great fun when you get it down.. |
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| #9 Re: Carving Posted 27/03/2010 @ 08:06 |
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I think when people say 'get low' they are talking about sinking down gradually in the turns, using the knees rather than bending at the hip. Allows you to power through the turn and prevents the board from skipping out as you have your shock absorbers (knees) working properly.
Great fun when it clicks, just can't get it to click all the time!  |
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| #10 Re: Carving Posted 27/03/2010 @ 12:28 |
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That's what I'm getting at - it's not clear..
You DO want to be bending/flexing at the hips on heel-side in any case.. only toe-side do you wanna be flexing knees/ankles only - and the OP was asking about heelside turns.. |
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| #11 Re: Carving Posted 28/03/2010 @ 20:49 |
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Sounds to me like you're getting 'inside the turn' by relying on your highbacks. You need speed to carve and you have to trust the board to make the turn. You can't force it or you'll wash your turn or slip out on the edge.
Your highbacks are there for support. If you use them as levers to make the turn rather than using your toe strap and shin muscle to 'close' your ankle joint you can't 'stack' your body over the edge.
You also need to flex at the fall line (possibly before defending on the type of turn) and continue this till the end of the turn before extending for your next turn.
Stand against a wall and flex and push into imaginary highbacks you'll see that you're more likely to fall (as you're inside a turn) and will wake at the waist to try and counter it. Flex low whilst pulling up on an imaginary toe strap and you'll see you can flex further and stack over that imaginary edge. |
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| #12 Re: Carving Posted 30/03/2010 @ 05:45 |
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I have had a couple of great lessons this year that really changed my riding. First I learned to rotate my front foot-- from big toe to little toe to side to heel-- on toeside and reverse it on heelside. Next to move my weight slightly to the back of the board in the end of the turn which makes the board come around into the next turn. Adding pressure on back foot.
It felt a little strange at first but after some practice I really have great control on steeps and everywhere. Even the elusive cross under turns. |
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| #13 Re: Carving Posted 30/03/2010 @ 10:36 |
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Have you ditched your highbacks then pete? I'd be interested to try it next time out.....  wonder if it truly would give you a feeling of freedom. |
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| #14 Re: Carving Posted 30/03/2010 @ 10:44 |
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They're still on for now. 
Appparently if people are over using their highbacks on their level 3 ISIA's they make them ride without their high backs for a bit.  |
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| #15 Re: Carving Posted 30/03/2010 @ 11:56 |
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had a few lessons with snowboardcoach and i had to leave my toe strap undone and my ankle strap only on the first "click" so i wasn't really stapped in at all and ride for a bit like that.
it really makes you feel what your feet are doing!
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| #16 Re: Carving Posted 03/04/2010 @ 03:38 |
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You have identified one of the most common heelside problems, that is too much speed for the radius of turn. It becomes worse as you finish the turn too early to control speed. Go to less steep runs to perfect carving before going steeper.
Next problem is angulation. Hardbooters call soft boot angulation, sitting on the toilet. Good angulation should feel like sitting on the toilet, and touching your toes. You are trying to keep the mass of your body as near to over the edge of the board, as possible. Try grabbing the toe side edge with your rear hand. Try not to twist the board initially, as this will cause the front and rear of the board to be inclined at different angles, and so carving different arcs.Try to let the board run naturally until you have it mastered.
Sink fast into the turn, rise slowly through the turn. this will create edge pressure. at the start of the turn, you are looking for slightly more edge pressure on the front of the board. At the end of the turn, the pressure should have shifted aft.
Slight pre-rotation will help. Hold that prerotation right through the turn, and don't counter rotate. |
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