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| Its not so much of the amount of Banana but more specifically the stiffness through the rocker into the nose and tail. The Magne is only slightly tweaked through pro models as the Rider has a direct influence into the design. Also, the Sk8 B is a little softer than the TRS but the Banana will keep you jibbing with more style in either board. If you spend more time hitting up back country I would lean towards the TRS, if the park then the Sk8 B. Both boards will keep you off ya Rocker!!! |
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| #27 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 18/07/2008 @ 23:38:39 |
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| Hey Dants, I will be trying to get to pretty much everything I can. My Mrs is expecting twins late Sept / early Oct so things are going to be pretty difficult. Never the less I will endeavour to make as many firdge events as possible. As well as a few on alternitive surfaces. I am waiting to confirm some dates and can let you know then. There will definately be a good range of boards to be ridden!! |
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| #26 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 18/07/2008 @ 23:35:27 |
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| #25 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 18/07/2008 @ 17:07:20 |
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| That's cool but there's still no Sales Tax for goods exported out of the USA. |
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| #24 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 18/07/2008 @ 16:11:07 |
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Oh for goodness sakes, aren't we all grumpy when the snow stops falling. Let's get something positive from this chap's appearance. ...
Righto buster, when are the GNU / LibTech demo days and are you gonna give GB members the ability to book slots in advance (HINT - I think we'd all like at least two chances per dome PLUS several slots on the slopes of Scotland once it starts to dump up North)? Also, you are gonna turn up with a full range of boards for us to play on aren't you?
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| #23 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 18/07/2008 @ 08:25:01 |
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QUOTE (BananaMan - 18/07/2008 @ 01:11:13) Also, in my recomendations I did not mention the TRice as I have not had the chance to ride this board (So I can't really talk about it too much), its still a super Rad board and comes tuned to Travis's spec with the amount of Banana and Magne he specifically requested.
Does this mean that every model has a different amount of banana? What are the pros/cons of having more/less camber?
Same question as above but with Magne traction
Is a SK8 softer, easier to jib on than a TRS BTX?
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| #22 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 18/07/2008 @ 01:30:38 |
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| Hey Tekilla, Sorry mate but i did not realise that discounts were offered from certain American based websites. You must have bought quite a lot from these guys. The sum of 6% was an average figure (between 3.5% and 7.5%), it was just to give an approx example that the savings are not as significant as they have been in the past. Mervin offer an international warranty with every authorised purchase so its not like they discourage buying outside of your own country. It is within the european retailers interests that this policy is to be enforced (something that i did not request personally, it was agreed with all European distributors). If the European, and more specifically the UK market, continues to be in direct compeition with product offered through US websites the effect will be detremental to local indpendant stores. Worse case situation is the retailer has a poor sell through and risks being in the position of not paying the bills (Perhaps a little extreme but is certainly realistic). And just to let you know, I work for a salary and watch this vanish every month for my family. If money was my objective of employment I would have choosen a different industry to work in.....lol. As for the competition, I will wait for them to catch up a little with BTX technoloy and then worry. |
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| #21 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 18/07/2008 @ 01:11:13 |
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Hey G, Check the link
http://www.lib-tech.com/banana/index.html
This will give you an idea what I am saying. There is also a Banana Tech video explaining the gains of riding fruity boards. Basically the boards rocker is between your feet (in between the bindins) and the outside of the bindings are flat. Other companies are putting the rocker either side of the bindings with the area between your feet being flat.
Also, in my recomendations I did not mention the TRice as I have not had the chance to ride this board (So I can't really talk about it too much), its still a super Rad board and comes tuned to Travis's spec with the amount of Banana and Magne he specifically requested. |
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| #20 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 17/07/2008 @ 21:57:09 |
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QUOTE (BananaMan - 17/07/2008 @ 15:46:56) Sorry G, the following is not directed at you but whilst i am here.........It was never my intent to approach the issue of importing from America. But surely it would be better to support you local store and buy in sterling (as this is where you live and what you earn). Price for Lib and Gnu have reduced at retail by 15-20% to try and combat the USA market and make it easier on the UK based consumer. If you take the cost of a Sk8 B for the US market ($470) add the 6% sales tax ($22), add the delivery of about $50, the customs duty (approx max 10% = $49) this calculates the cost of the board at approx $590 (or £300). Add the import VAT at 17.5.% the board is almost £350. Only £20 cheaper than buying from your local store and no 4-6 wk wait with the chance of the board going missing in Transit. I know which avenue I would take.........Ride anywhere, Shop Local!!!!!
You're wrong there dude - there is no 6% Sales Tax for goods exported out of the USA. Also Sales Tax varies from State to State - as low as 3% in some states, as much as 7.25% in California so not sure where 6% came from?
Your sums aren't 100% accurate. For example, chat online to Dogfunk and they'll automatically give you between 5% - 10% discount on a new board and most other hard goods.
I'm not trying to have a dig or make things awkward, but what I'm saying is:
I personally think it was a shitty thing to complain to Mervin and stop people ordering from the USA in order to get a better deal. I can't understand what reason you had for doing this other than to ensure that every Lib/GNU in the UK comes through you, thus making you a minted Bananaman. Can you not handle the competition ??
Most other board companies except Burton don't seem to mind... |
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| #19 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 17/07/2008 @ 21:23:51 |
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| Out of interest, do you have a slo-mo movie of the effect of having the reverse camber between your feet? When is the board flat? And when banana shaped? Having the reverse camber outside your feet must mean the board's always banana shaped, but I'm not sure when it's between your feet... |
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| #18 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 17/07/2008 @ 16:06:22 |
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BM,
You havent mentioned the T/Rice BTX in your recommendations, is there any reason for this?
How soft (flex) is the SK8 compared to the TRS & T/Rice?
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| #17 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 17/07/2008 @ 15:51:27 |
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QUOTE (*wildebeest - 15/07/2008 @ 23:14:14) Tell me in less than 20 words why I should buy a banana... and which one!
It makes snowboarding easier and more fun........ Personally i would recomend the Sk8 B, the TRS, or if you are a bigger guy like myself the Skunk Ape!! |
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| #16 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 17/07/2008 @ 15:46:56 |
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Our main thing is that our Banana is between your legs, as oppossed to our competitors. Add Magne Traction and it gives for a better all round performance any where on the mountain (it is the MTX which in my opinion is the quintessential aspect of BTX). Take nothing away from any other brand working with reversese camber as this is the way forward fro snowboard innovation, everybody should have the chance to try this technology.
Sorry G, the following is not directed at you but whilst i am here.........It was never my intent to approach the issue of importing from America. But surely it would be better to support you local store and buy in sterling (as this is where you live and what you earn). Price for Lib and Gnu have reduced at retail by 15-20% to try and combat the USA market and make it easier on the UK based consumer. If you take the cost of a Sk8 B for the US market ($470) add the 6% sales tax ($22), add the delivery of about $50, the customs duty (approx max 10% = $49) this calculates the cost of the board at approx $590 (or £300). Add the import VAT at 17.5.% the board is almost £350. Only £20 cheaper than buying from your local store and no 4-6 wk wait with the chance of the board going missing in Transit. I know which avenue I would take.........Ride anywhere, Shop Local!!!!!
And one more thing, my mustache looks nothing like that of Mr Monopoly's.......... But I won't take any offence.....haha |
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| #15 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 17/07/2008 @ 00:42:25 |
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So, on a more positive note... and getting back to the origial subject... as apposed the one it was specifically not supposed to be about... I look forward to seeing the list of retailers so I can go check one of those boards out in person.  In the meantime, I'd assume that having been the first to develop the banana shape, you'd be ahead of all the new entrants in further developing the tech... Would that be correct? If so, how? What's new in bananas? Cheers!  |
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| #14 Re: UK Price for Lib-Tech and Gnu cheaper than Euro 17/07/2008 @ 00:26:34 |
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| I'd agree with that, but I do feel kind of sorry for BananaMan. He's getting it in the neck for doing the exact same thing as everyone who sells internationally -- you charge the price that each market will bear (modified marginally by differences in distribution and other costs). And the price each market will bear is the result of numerous economic, social, and historic factors... none of which are anything to do with snowboard manufacturers. On the other hand, telling UK consumers that you'll cut off their access to cheaper channels is bound to get a negative reaction. There are obvious drawbacks to importing a board from the US, but for those who just can't afford the UK price it's a necessity. Deliberately blocking that will inevitably upset price sensitive buyers, and remind others of similar injustices they've suffered. You'll lose business and create bad publicity that'll put others off. Will your increased margins make up for reduced sales? Time will tell. Given that other manufacturers are now producing similar shaped boards & increasing competition, I suspect not. Brand loyalty is a powerful but fragile thing, as others have discovered. Once you lose it, it's gone. Added to which, human psychology dictates that you have to do six good things to make up for one bad thing... |
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