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| #703 Re: Photography 21/04/2008 @ 18:02:32 |
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| Why thank a you people! just looking on how to improve really if there is anyone out there who knows much about photography |
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| #702 Re: Photography 19/04/2008 @ 01:03:26 |
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| #701 Re: Photography 18/04/2008 @ 22:21:29 |
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| i to commented on the sed pic , and its holly in all 3 ...aristic or what |
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| #700 Re: Photography 18/04/2008 @ 22:04:27 |
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Is it wrong that i like the ones on the grave/tomb thing?  ! self portraiture photography..the model and the photographer?talent! I'm no photography expert but i thought that i'd post a thums up  |
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| #699 Re: Photography 18/04/2008 @ 19:29:54 |
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| Well kool pics |
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| #698 Re: Photography 18/04/2008 @ 18:19:23 |
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Do a bit of photography here and there! but im not amazingly technologically knowledgable or anything! was wondering if anyone had any tips for me? Anyway..heres my flickr Flickr linky theres a random assortment of images and a couple more for friends only!
Any advice on how to improve would be great
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| #697 Re: Photography 18/04/2008 @ 15:48:19 |
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Jib monkey.
Nice picture of the wheelie bin, although I would say you need to work on your framing and focus.  |
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| #696 Re: Photography 18/04/2008 @ 15:42:04 |
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That's a couple of years old so there may be more up to date books, but that's a goodie. There are one or two useful PDFs on the net, but as I suggested most of it's misinformation or half-understood repetition of American law. It's one of those areas where you have to pay to find the truth.
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| #695 Re: Photography 18/04/2008 @ 11:08:41 |
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Thanks for the info phil.
I might just have a read of the book as the coursework we have to do is taking me into areas where unless you know the law, even if you're entitled to be there you may be moved on through your ignorance of the rules.
That said I'm off to Blackpool this weekend to take some photos of the tower. Funny that someone mentioned Cartier-bresson in an earlier post - more on that later! |
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"The point about "speaking on film" is wrong and irrelevant. I have not studied the law relating to video specifically although it's likely to be similar to photography."
Well funnily enough i have studied the law about it! I do alot of work for bbc news as well as having lived with a bbc journalist for 6 years and they send us on seminarys about this very subject. You shouldnt asume people have just googled something you know! |
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| #693 Re: Photography 18/04/2008 @ 10:11:51 |
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| #692 Re: Photography 18/04/2008 @ 09:50:00 |
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... just misinformed police!! You're aloud to take pictures of anyone or film anyone in a public place. As individuals we don't own our own image while in public so anyone can photograph us and use the pictures however they see fit. Only time you need peoples permission is if they are speaking on film in which case they have to sign a disclaimer giving you rights to use it.
I agree that the referenced article is silly, and I've been asked to not photograph some crazy things myself. However your analysis of the law is wrong.
First of all "public place" is misleading - many public places are in fact in private ownership, so you can't for example take shots at a gig, or in many town centres, or in the National Trust, without specific permission. If you want to shoot in those places, you may well get away with it, but the owners have the right to ask you to stop. Indeed, if you refuse, they have the right to remove you using reasonable force.
In this specific case you don't have the real facts; just the journalist's spin. I don't believe anyone in the UK has ever heard of a "camera license". However you do need permission to shoot gigs or events on private land (see above). Usually you're asked for this by private security (who know full well you don't have it as you'd have a pass/ they'd be briefed etc). The police could well have been providing that service in this case.
So the photographer is being asked to stop probably because they're on private land. It's civil not criminal law.
I've been stopped hundreds of times in various circumstances; I used to run a website with a collection of things they didn't want me to photograph. Usually you can find an angle to shoot the thing from the public highway, or just go back when the bouncer's away. I agree completely that this is all b*llocks, and that the "terrorism" and "child protection" excuses are insulting b*llocks. The law's an ass; no news here then.
You've misunderstood the right to use photographs of others without explicit agreement. It's generally possible to use "journalistic" photographs without a Model Release. That doesn't mean you can take pictures of people and sell them without a Release. In general magazines and stock agencies demand a Release. If you shoot a competition, you can use the images for "journalistic" purposes, but if you try to sell a recognizable image of a rider for (say) advertising purposes, you need a release or you'd be liable for damages from the person in the image. Some snowboard magazines are a little lax on this, because most riders are media tarts and are happy to see their image used without payment. But your statement is still incorrect and misleading.
To be clear, this is not at all all bad. Photographers need the protection of the law as much as models - I've had my stuff ripped off and I don't like it.
The point about "speaking on film" is wrong and irrelevant. I have not studied the law relating to video specifically although it's likely to be similar to photography.
I hate it when stuff like this happens simply through people not knowing the law, you'd expect the constabulary to now though!
Um, I think you just said you hate yourself ;-)
For a typical event the organizers do know the law. They tend to ignore camera-phones because the quality's low, and they're impossible to police. They ban "professional" cameras. There may be an official ("licensed") photographer there, and there will be some sort of agreement between venue, band and photographer on the sale of those images. If you want to shoot a gig, talk to the band and the venue and sort it out in advance(1), or you're unlikely to be allowed to shoot.
Most bouncers aren't too bright and are just doing what their even dimmer middle-managers told them to do. You can't generally win an argument with such people.
I'd recommend "The Photographer & the Law" Don Cassell as a good introductory read. Be aware that many internet sites have an American focus, and there are some significant differences in the legal systems. As you've just demonstrated, the internet is a mine of incorrect data. Knowing the law is useful, but I would still recommend a gentle approach to bouncers and their ilk.
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| #690 Re: Photography 17/04/2008 @ 21:58:33 |
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Thats bloody ridiculous, just misinformed police!! You're aloud to take pictures of anyone or film anyone in a public place. As individuals we don't own our own image while in public so anyone can photograph us and use the pictures however they see fit. Only time you need peoples permission is if they are speaking on film in which case they have to sign a disclaimer giving you rights to use it.
I hate it when stuff like this happens simply through people not knowing the law, you'd expect the constabulary to now though!! |
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