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Hehe, I have the standing on one leg exercises too. I tend to do them whilst waiting for the bus which gets me some funny looks  (especially as I also get to stand on tiptoe and do dips whilst on one leg, I must look very odd). |
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| #12 Re: Knee supports 05/05/2008 @ 21:47:06 |
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hey, here my opinion.
i have a torn acl or as the docs say a ruptured acl, ive done sports all my life, 34 now, and was a keen cycylist in my teens, and have always had strong legs. i injured mine 2 years ago had the mri scan and all the rest of it. then the physio they showed what exercises to do. even though we have the main muscles in the thigh and calf we also have lots of small intricit (cant spell that but u know what i mean) muscles round the knee area so on top of doing all the usual leg exercises like squats, extensions, press, hamstring curls, i also do balance exercises lioke standing on 1 foot for 30 seconds then swapping. do this for 5 mins. also on the weights people who aren't keen sports enthusiasts seem to have a lack of desire to train, you have to keep in mind why you are doing this. with the weights i train hard with high reps (15 x 2-3 sets of each) its no good just chucking a few weights about and thinking it will get better. a torn acl will not heal itself so its ethier the opperation or physio. so the training is to build, stretch and strengthen the muscles surrounding the knee to compensate for the acl not doing its job. the job it does is to hold the thigh bone and the calf bone together in the socket when it is torn then wearing starts to accure if the muscles are weak...
mine is generally ok although alot of aching in the colder months which i haven't had for the last 2 months, sometimes round the knee othertimes the hamstring. i still play squash once a week and use a £20 knee strap just incase of twisting. and even after the injury i still worked a full season out in la tania.
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| #11 Re: Knee supports 05/05/2008 @ 12:37:40 |
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I agree with you about the skating bit - the only times I've injured a knee boarding have been when getting on the lift when I either didn't lift the nose of the board enough or didn't twist myself in the seat enough just after getting on - result is the edge digging in and forcing the board perpendicular to the lift, which causes (for me anyway) horrible knee twistage.
In terms of aggravating existing problems, snowboarding can definitely do that, especially if you utilise any side-side motion of your knees (at least for my problems). |
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| #10 Re: Knee supports 05/05/2008 @ 12:10:55 |
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Yep agree it is pricey ... but what cost would you be prepared to pay to save your knees????
I'm saving a few bob a month and will buy one a month before going to Austria in January, and have a play at Tam snowdome to get the feel of it. I'm going down this route cause I need a new knee and whant to keep going as long as possible.
I guess what I've really said there is that I am taking no notice of what my surgeon says and I'm going to enjoy the mountains as long as I can , and then go grovelling back to him  |
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| #9 Re: Knee supports 04/05/2008 @ 17:12:58 |
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ski mojo link
looks like a nice idea, buried in the faq is a comment that it can be used by snowboarders but is pricey at nearly 300quid |
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| #8 Re: Knee supports 04/05/2008 @ 16:34:40 |
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Hi, Just thought I'd throw my hat in the ring on this one as I've got dodgy knees and am a skier first and am now looking at boarding. You can go on loads of forums and get loads of advice, my experience is this ... as a boarder which is best for the knees and they'll tell you boarding, ask a skier and they'll tell you skiing!! 
What makes matters worse is thay are both right  if this is the wifes first injury and she is now building up her quads (you lucky man  ) and is experiencing no pain in the knee the chances are that she should be OK with skiing. We all, from time to time, have caught an edge and hurt a joint. But if there are no residual issues carry on with what you know
That being said if the questions been asked there will always be a slight niggleing at the back of her mind about boarding being easier for her knee  Easiest way to sort that problem out is ..... learn to board. Loads of Domes and dry slopes around and relatively cheap. She may find she hates it ...poblem solved
My own personal experience has been that on a board you can twist your knee especially when "skating", mine hurts like hell. I asked a similar question about board or ski to Dr Mike Langran http://www.ski-injury.com top bloke. I've pasted his reply . Hope this helps.
Hi Bill – not sure from the way your email is written if you received my reply to your original email (which was sent on the 5th April from Greece!) so it’s pasted below. In a nutshell, I know plenty of folk who have continued to ski and/or board after a TKR but you’re right everyone is different so speak to your consultant. As below, the ski mojo seems to be an excellent option. Please let me know if/when you get this email so I know it got through to you. Thanks Mike
Hello Bill
Thanks for your email which is well timed as I am currently at a ski injuries conference in Greece!
The short answer to your question is that yes, snowboarding is kinder on the knees than skiing. However, of course you also have to factor in that you re-start that sport as a beginner
If you did take that option, then I would advise you to stay with your natural stance, as otherwise your balance will be poorer and you’ll be more likely to fall and (possibly) injure yourself.
You also mention the Ski Mojo – a device that has been attracting a lot of attention recently – and indeed one of my colleagues (Dr Marc Binet) from Avoriaz in France has brought one with him here to Greece and we have all been following his progress with him. It seems to be a very impressive device, even if your knees are in good shape. Basically it takes the pressure of the knee joint and does a lot of the work of the thigh muscles when you are skiing. As a result, your leg muscles don’t feel tired and knees don’t tend to ache as much. Marc thinks it is excellent and now doesn’t think he wants to ski without one (even though he has no injuries and is an excellent skier). He is a very experienced ski area doctor and not easily impressed!
The manufacturers of the ski mojo do not (quite rightly) make any claims that the device helps prevent injuries but in fact we are beginning to think that it might have potential in this area.
So your choices are to:
1. carry on as you are
2. Start again as a beginner snowboarder or
3. Continue skiing and try a Ski Mojo
From my recent experiences here in Greece, I would be inclined to consider option 3, but of course there is a cost implication with this.
I hope this is helpful information for you – please get back to me if you require any more information and good luck!
Best wishes
Mike Langran
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| #7 Re: Knee supports 16/02/2008 @ 17:45:31 |
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yeh sorry - abit unclear on that post i will edit, yes i meant is skiing worse than boarding.
I would say i have fairly strong legs / knees, I run and cycle regularly but after seeing her do her knee in on a simple blue run through a momentary lapse of concentration (she is a good if not cautious skier) and knowing how i throw myself off all sorts of stuff without a second thought it got me to wondering did I neeed to start thinking about them as prevention as I approach old age? |
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| #6 Re: Knee supports 16/02/2008 @ 17:40:28 |
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her physio said to build up her muscles, mostly by using a excercise bike as its good low impact stuff that wont cause any damage to her MCL
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physio said a "knee brace", when we started searching after her last visit we were astounded at the different types on offer and the varying cost from £11 to about £500. I was wondering if anyone on here had done a similar thing to their knee and if so what type of brace did they use and how did they get on with it, not only teh level of support but comfort etc. |
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| #5 Re: Knee supports 16/02/2008 @ 16:29:43 |
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I'd suggest she asks her specialist or physio about knee supports/braces for skiing/boarding - they should know what type would be best for her and be able to recommend brands.
Snowboarding might be less hard on her knees but it does depend what type of injury she has (although I can't think of any kind where snowboarding would be significantly worse than skiing). You *can* twist your knee boarding, I've done it a few times getting on lifts where the edge of the board has dug in after getting on and I'm sat facing forwards too much.
If you don't have any existing problems, you shouldn't wear any kind of support. If you're worried about it, then like someone else said building up the surrounding muscles is a good idea (so that the joint works as it should, and because it's the muscles that keep everything where it should be). |
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| #4 Re: Knee supports 16/02/2008 @ 14:34:12 |
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Apparently skiing is worse for your knees than snowboarding.
To quote my doctor when I boogered my ACL's (before I started snowboarding). "Main injuries skiers end up with are to the knee. Snowboarders on the other hand only break collar bones, wrists, ankles and any other joint I haven't mentioned" - made me chuckle. Not had reconstructive surgery to mine, I just ride a bike regularly, swim less than I'd like and snowboard from time to time.
I would concentrate on building up the quad muscles and try not to rely on external support as the best protection for the joints stability is the muscles surrounding it. BTW - I'm not a doctor. |
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i also have been having knee problems not bc of a board/ski injury but a car crash <
i am goin away in 2weeks again for a week and been suffering like hell doctor said its just strained 'The Bloody NHS', what did here phis-man say??
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| #2 Re: Knee supports 16/02/2008 @ 13:29:56 |
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Kinda unclear on the first question? better or worse than boarding?
Snowboarding is much much less stressful on your knees than skiing. You cant twist them on boards as you can on skis. I cant see the need for braces on good knees when boarding.
Im old (nearly 42) and injury prone... I now wear knee pads , bum pads, Mountain bike style light armour (has back, shoulder, ribs and arm protection) , wrist guards and of course a helmet.
I still manage to bruise my ribs twice this year so far 
Stop her doing that silly skiing stuff and get her on a board!
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| #1 Knee supports 16/02/2008 @ 12:33:05 |
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reading the knackered knee club thread and seeing the problems first hand I thought i would ask a few questions.
during a holiday this christmas my wife damaged her medial ligament (skiing) since then she has had a solid brace for 2 weeks then a hinged brace for 4 weeks and now now brace.
we have been fortunate with a referal to a good knee specialist and what seems like good phisio.
The mrs was advised to start using a exercise bike as soon as she could and is now doing this religiously twice a day in an attempt to get back to slopes before the end of the season
Ok a bit long winded - thansk for sticking with it.
First question is skiing better or worse for people with dodgy knees
second - anyone got any good advice for types of knee braces to prevent any further MCL damage, an internet search just throws up loads of different types which confuse me
thirdly - would you advise the wearing of knee braces as prevention to other riders who have not got knackered knees (i.e. me) - if so what type |
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