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im incorporating that into all future posts |
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| #43 Re: How do you ride ice?? 08/08/2008 @ 12:52:47 |
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I have!! It was a run in a small resort in Austria last year. From an offpiste section it was the only way to get back to the only accessible lifts from where we were which happened to be at the base of the resort. Unfortunately it turned into a strip of piste surrounded by green pastures which had gone through some freeze/thaw to create blue ice towards the base of the resort. There wasn't much you can do in that situation, the conditions deteriate as you get lower but you have no option to carry on. You can't even slow down as you know you'll be on the floor. You end up picking up lots of speed and bends become fairly interesting.
I remeber i was following someone else down and they didn't make a bend, i just made it, was screaming the entire way down apparently! Probably about 1km from the end i fell hard, one of those falls onto your a*se where you just have to sit there for a minute hoping the pain will go away and that you haven't broken your coccyx. 500m further i fell onto my knees and they swelled up and i very gingerly walked the rest of the way, which even that was difficult as by then the piste had turned into what must have an access road in the summer with peoples farms on either side so had to walk just off the side on some extremely hard hardpack! |
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| #42 Re: How do you ride ice?? 08/08/2008 @ 12:26:23 |
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I went through an under piste tunnel in Sweden a few years ago that was PURE ice and quite long. it was also almost flat which probably didn't help! It was seriously hard and all of us went over at least once - you know you are on real ice when the floor just feels harder than diamond, is completely shiny and not white in the slightest and if you get even the slightest bit off balance (the sort you wouldn't even notice on hardpack) you will be on the floor instantly! in these conditions keeping a flat board and crouching down to lower your c of g and waiting to get out of it was my best method.
Even shifting my weight to initiate a turn just threw me over on the floor... I haven't ever found anything this bad on a slope yet! |
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| #41 Re: How do you ride ice?? 23/07/2008 @ 21:15:08 |
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| riding ice is noisy! I rode a prepared and frozen downhill I was more than a little terrified |
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| #40 Re: How do you ride ice?? 23/07/2008 @ 20:44:05 |
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| aaaaaah right. your C of G moves. Not your C of G moves |
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| #39 Re: How do you ride ice?? 23/07/2008 @ 19:20:53 |
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| Ahem.. Centre of Gravity.. |
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| #38 Re: How do you ride ice?? 23/07/2008 @ 10:16:46 |
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Thanks for this!  |
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| #37 Re: How do you ride ice?? 23/07/2008 @ 10:05:03 |
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QUOTE (chip_board - 23/07/2008 @ 07:03:45) If you lean out your C of G moves away from being over the edge and the board will slide out..
Dude, i am always rocking out my C of G moves. Is this a bad thing?
wtf? lol. |
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| #36 Re: How do you ride ice?? 23/07/2008 @ 08:30:42 |
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| Yeah - maybe could have been put a little better - the main point was to put as much weight on your edge as you can, in the hopes that the edge will cut into the ice. |
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| #35 Re: How do you ride ice?? 23/07/2008 @ 07:03:45 |
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Apart from this bit:
"When making your turns, lean out as far as you dare to exert as much pressure as possible, forcing your edges to bite"
"Leaning out" is a no-no and as technique advice for beginners/intermediates (who I assume this article is aimed at) its just wrong.. To stay on board (ha ha, see what I did there?) in all hard/ice conditions it's essential to stay "stacked" over the edge, ie: your body should be vertically above the edge you're on..
If you lean out your C of G moves away from being over the edge and the board will slide out.. |
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| #34 Re: How do you ride ice?? 22/07/2008 @ 21:55:10 |
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That looks excellentay...  |
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| #33 Re: How do you ride ice?? 22/07/2008 @ 20:44:46 |
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This might be a useful article for everyone - How to snowboard in bad conditions.
Originally published in Whitlines, the article gives tips on how to ride when the blue bird powder day has gone AWOL. |
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| #32 Re: How do you ride ice?? 22/07/2008 @ 20:44:37 |
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QUOTE (fatbob - 22/07/2008 @ 20:36:58) That's not ice in my book although most will say it is, just hardened slopes really. Pure ice patches that are usually few and far between are that hard an edge won't make any impact and the edge will just slide out. I certainly wouldn't tell a beginner to flat base a slope, just if they come across a small patch of shiny blue ice, which in general is just a small patch.....unless it's directly under the Les Crosets II chair in Champery? 
I agree, but I don't think anyone here is talking about true ice. I can't tell you how many punters that I've taken around the mountain that blame "ice" for their falls. |
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| #31 Re: How do you ride ice?? 22/07/2008 @ 20:36:58 |
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QUOTE (Grill - 22/07/2008 @ 16:43:23) Riding on ice is a valuable skill for most people. Spring conditions are a perfect example. When you go out before midday during spring conditions the thaw from the previous day will have frozen. This makes for some challenging riding, and flatlining entire runs is down right dangerous.
That's not ice in my book although most will say it is, just hardened slopes really. Pure ice patches that are usually few and far between are that hard an edge won't make any impact and the edge will just slide out.
I certainly wouldn't tell a beginner to flat base a slope, just if they come across a small patch of shiny blue ice, which in general is just a small patch.....unless it's directly under the Les Crosets II chair in Champery? |
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| #30 Re: How do you ride ice?? 22/07/2008 @ 17:53:42 |
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Exactly, there's always the possibility you could end up somewhere where you can't avoid turning on ice or very-hard-pack or whatever, and it's best to be prepared.
Welcome to gb, Grill. |
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