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Ok, thought I would give a quick update....
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Went for the Ride DH DFC
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Rome 390's (Ordered the black and the Limited edition turned up)
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Vans Encore..
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| #29 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 07/05/2008 @ 10:56:53 |
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| Thats why its best to ask for the person in the store who had ridden it, there may be one since most of the shops end up sending people off to the board test. If they've done their job right instead of using it as a free holiday they should have looked at most of the board and ridden as many as possible. |
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| #28 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 06/05/2008 @ 18:47:16 |
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QUOTE (futurebiblehero - 03/05/2008 @ 10:15:11) So my point is yeah sales people on the whole are good and will help you but also some are out there to make as much cash off you as they can and if you dont seem to know much about the gear they will try it on. I ended up getting a good board for half the price of the customX. I also know other people that have been talked into buying unsuitable way over priced goods.
(sorry, I'm bored...)
Mmm. I guess it all depends where you are and what you are looking for.
It's kind of hard to tell if your sales person's actually able to ride, really. And even if you happen to get the sales person who's ridden a bit ... well they've not seen you ride, have they? Ever tried asking people how good they are? If you have, you'll know it's got bog-all connexion with how good they actually are, which you will find out by watching them make their first turn. Personally I'd not recommend anything to anyone based on their own assessment of their riding and what they claim their weight is.
It gets worse though... How many of the hundreds of possible boards stocked by a reasonably large shop do you think the sales girl's actually ridden? I don't know about you, but again I'd not recommend a board even to people who I know are experts unless I'd ridden that board.
So we're expecting a sales person with unknown experience to recommend a board she's not ridden to someone with an ability level they can't know. Perhaps that's a little too much to expect.
You'd be better off asking your instructor. At least you know they can ride, and they've also seen you ride. They'll also know what stuff people at your level tend to find suitable. Alternatively, get yourself to somewhere you can demo the stuff and figure it out yourself. |
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| #27 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 03/05/2008 @ 10:15:11 |
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Hey so the forum Recon? Well one of my mates rides this board and he rates it  ! Its a pretty good all rounder and has a soft flex which will be more forgiving as you master your first turns and tricks. Good value too!
As for all the other comments about using shop assistants to help you buy cheap stuff on-line, I agree to a point but also from my experience buying my first board Im always gonna take everything sales people tell me with caution. I was in this store (shall not name it) looking at the boards and the guy comes over to ask if I need any help etc. I explain to him im buying my first board also say that I need something to help me progress as I'm off to NZ for the season to train to become an instructor. And that i wanted something that would be good in the park and on piste for under £300. The guy hands me this 160 Burton Custom X and tells me this is the board for me... He totally convinced me that i needed the custom X and also said i should put a deposit down on it so they could hold it for me till I had the vast amount of cash needed to get the board! I almost put down the deposit but went home and e-mailed the instructor guys in NZ for thier advise first. They responded with DO NOT BUY THIS BOARD, they explained that it is way to high spec for me and I should buy a soft twin freestyle or all mountain board. They also gave me a list of suitable boards.
So my point is yeah sales people on the whole are good and will help you but also some are out there to make as much cash off you as they can and if you dont seem to know much about the gear they will try it on. I ended up getting a good board for half the price of the customX. I also know other people that have been talked into buying unsuitable way over priced goods.
But having said all that when I got my boots I went to TSA in MK and the guy was super helpfull, I tryied on pretty much every pair they had, he gave me good advice and spent a good half hour or so going through all the pro's and cons of each boot and making sure I got a perfect fit... so I guess if was to then go online to save a few quid it would be a bit out of order. |
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| #26 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 02/05/2008 @ 12:42:29 |
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I think the point of these posts was that it's not about buying from abroad, it's the fact that you wasted peoples time trying on boots and had staff running around in a shop after you when you had no intention of buying from them.
Fair enough with your bindings/board etc if you want to go away research on the interweb, ask opinions of other people on the net etc and then buy from the net, you haven't metaphorically slapped someone in the face by doing that, which is what you did by buying your boots on the net. |
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| #25 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 02/05/2008 @ 10:35:15 |
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I have obviously struck a chord with you guys on this, so I think it best to explain myself. My decision was based on trying to get myself an intial setup, the money I have saved on my boots will help towards getting some bindings.
My naivity to the scene has obviously clouded my judgement in relation to the retailers in this country. After comments from you guys on here I now understand that I could have contributed better. Although I must also state that my gripe has never been with the retailers but with the manufacturers and there over inflated U.K. pricing system.
Which leads me to my second point, Wildebeest you are obviously an experienced contributor to the forum and I apologise if I rubbed you up the wrong way. But for the record, my boots were bought from a shop in the States with overheads etc, which maybe lower due to the cost of living and so on, but again the difference in price points to the source of the gear not the retailers. To imply that internet traders are spotty geeks is a blanket statement I dont understand, as it bears no relation to this conversation? With regards to the "Mythical commuity" The community is right here in this forum and at MK/Cfe/Tamworth everyday. The point I was trying to make was that if the manufacturers are going to charge more to U.K. users of there product, then some of that could money could be repaid, with extra events or visits of their riders etc.....
Once again thanks to all for putting me on the right path, my bindings once I know which ones to buy will be bought from a shop in the U.K. |
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| #24 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 01/05/2008 @ 19:09:16 |
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Sorry Pete but I have to agree with 62bravus here. Whilst I understand your point about the difference in price, it's more a matter of long term preservation over short term savings. Especially for small specialist retailers like Subvert. It seems almost all Gber's rate them, and you yourself said you had great knowledge and service from them. So what do you do when they go out of business ? Buy the boots online without trying them on ? And where do the rest of us go ?
I'm definitely on the side of paying for someone's expertise and time, and not just for boarding. I work in travel where people openly go into shops and say they are not going to book, or that they have booked elsewhere, but could you tell them all about a resort, tour or hotel. Then they are amazed (and get sh*tty) when you aren't keen.
There are plenty of other industries too in which people do exactly the same without realising the impact they are having. Soon only the large chains who can absorb the extra costs will be left, and in a strong position to keep prices high.
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| #23 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 01/05/2008 @ 18:47:52 |
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Yeah I must admit the UK prices can be frustrating but this isn't down to the the retailers, many of which do support the boarding community in this country.
I have no problem with getting cheap gear of the net (in fact I got myself a Burton Fish from ebay USA earlier this season) but if theres something I need advice on or hours of the shops time (which in the case of boots is often the case) then I think it's fair enough to pay a little extra. |
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| #22 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 01/05/2008 @ 18:31:39 |
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Bit selfish in my book.
Wasting people's time and abusing their experience, just so you can get what YOU want. If the boot was on the other foot, how would you feel? Shops have overheads, experienced staff to pay, rates, heating, advertising etc. The web has a spotty geek and a warehouse full of gear.
If you don't want to pay UK prices, don't pay them, but don't expect to have your cake and eat it.
And if you think the money should go back in to the "snowboarding community" show me where this mythical snowboarding community is. While you're at it find me a couple of hens teeth and a unicorn. |
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| #21 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 01/05/2008 @ 17:10:02 |
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I see where you are coming from and I dont want to seem flipant to your point of view but whats a man supposed to do? The prices here in the UK far exceed those in the U.S. Why is that?
I can only presume that with the export embargo's that the manufacturers place on U.S. stores is to ensure the highest price possilble can be gained from users of there product in the U.K. Now I'm all for free enterprise but surely that is a two way street?
With regards to my time in the shop, I am a beginner and the guy was totally cool and helpful, but could only offer a discount of 5% on a total package.
Id just like to say that I express no malice to anybody in my actions or this reply (Its just my opinion and I have been known to be wrong) but I just dont understand why we in the U.K. should pay on average, double to what is paid in the states for the same product. I may think differently if the extra money was going back into the boarding community within this country, but I doubt that is the case.... |
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| #20 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 29/04/2008 @ 17:36:46 |
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QUOTE (PETE123 - 29/04/2008 @ 10:57:41) Sorry Fatbob, should have mentioned. I followed your advice and went into subvert and tried on loads of boots and the Vans encore were a very nice fit for me. Then I ordered the same size of the net. I did give them the U.S. size/UK size and the Mondo Size. I understand the added risk but at 1/2 price inc shipping, I took the gamble...Thanks for your help.
Don't want to be controvertial but isn't that taking the mikey a little.
I like a bargain as much as the next man but to try on a load of boots in a shop (and presumably take thier advice etc as well) and then find them for cheap on the net is a bit much. I'm sure Subvert would have done you a deal as it's the end of the season too. |
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| #19 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 29/04/2008 @ 11:33:49 |
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| In terms of the Dominant. It is classed as a jib stick. However, becasue it is soft it is easier to turn for a beginner. The plus side is that as you progress you then have a board you can have a play about on. |
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| #18 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 29/04/2008 @ 10:57:41 |
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Sorry Fatbob, should have mentioned. I followed your advice and went into subvert and tried on loads of boots and the Vans encore were a very nice fit for me. Then I ordered the same size of the net. I did give them the U.S. size/UK size and the Mondo Size. I understand the added risk but at 1/2 price inc shipping, I took the gamble...Thanks for your help.
Bobtastic,
I thought the same to be honest, but the guy in Subvert said it should be cool. In the SandR catalogue it also says its ok for a beginner also, but the peeps on here are far more knowing than my good self and advice is always forthcoming, thanks for your response. |
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| #17 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 29/04/2008 @ 09:46:56 |
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I was under the impression that the Burton Dominant was an advanced freestyle board...
Tbh I dont know what classification they are... So I would go into Subvert or S&R and ask their advice. |
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| #16 Re: Another Noob Looking for Help 29/04/2008 @ 09:40:42 |
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| Did you read point 1 in my previous post and try the boots on before ordering off the net? |
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